White-bread American Midwesterner. As in chard, but maybe we should all say it as in chardonnay. First half of carrot. I pronounce chmod and chown same as you do. Although sometimes I'll pronounce chown as one syllable Seems like your pronunciation of Chmod is not correct. You can try again. Original audio Your audio Congrats!
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Most English people at least would be nonplussed if you said "etsy etsy" rather than "etcetra etcetra" to indicate something that goes on and on. That makes a little more sense. Most UK English speakers would be confused if you used 'nonplussed' to mean confused Human languages are hugely inefficient!
OJFord 10 months ago root parent next [—]. Do you mean AmE speakers? Because 'confused' is roughly what it means to me, a BrE speaker, but your comment made me curious and indeed Wiktionary gives def 2 proscribed, US, informal as 'unfazed, unaffected, or unimpressed' instead. Only the directory is pronounced etsy. The rest of the time we say et cetera.
I don't even know how widespread etsy is for the directory. I hardly ever hear anyone pronounce anything, since most communication among programmers is written. UncleMeat 10 months ago root parent prev next [—].
We can. That's largely fine. But it is also worth recognizing that a root cause of this problem is the community's desire to use shortened names for everything. Communication is already difficult enough. Is that pronounced "noob" or "new-bee". It takes some getting used to this idea, but I try to remember that when someone mispronounces an uncommon word or jargon term, it means that they're getting all their information through textual means - which probably means they don't have people close to them with the same interests or intellectual curiosity.
That usually means, especially if it's a younger person, that they are smart and probably lonely. With you until the last sentence. But yes, it does imply that they're resourceful enough to learn what they know with limited personal mentorship.
It's worth gently guiding them towards the canonical pronunciation, but definitely don't be surprised if they show you up on how to use that thing they're mispronouncing. What a weird asssumption to make.
Just basing on people I knew who were like that. His first exposure to "modem" was in print computer magazines or BBSes , and it was some years before he heard the word spoken.
Many years later but still many years ago! I realized that I'd never spoken the word aloud, and chose the hard G, because the word is an acronym for Graphics Interchange Format. Needless to say, I did not resolve that argument with my appeal to originalism.
In the intervening years, I've spoken the word countless times, and settled on the soft G because it flows better in speech. As far as I know, the correctness debate is still ongoing today. I actually can't believe anyone says "etsy. If I ever get a friend.
PS I also say "libe. Honestly, this is about the most consistent of the batch in my experience. I just assumed that efficient two-syllable pronunciation was the logical choice. I say "libe", but "libb six tee fore", which is really too inconsistent. I'm probably going to use them for at least 15 more. I'm never going to pronounce etc as etsy. It just sounds silly. Jeez, how did you get from correct pronunciation to anti-inclusive?! Most people just want to know what you are talking about when you say libe or cat slash prots slash mem in fo or worse.
Nothing is more infuriating when people start using wrong words in a 10h telco instead of agreed upon vocabulary, which includes the correct pronunciation! Scratch correct. It's the agreed upon pronunciation we all ought to use when working together. KineticLensman 10 months ago root parent next [—]. This is also why doctors say 'pancreatic islets' rather than 'pink wibbly bit'.
Using precise technical language does create a barrier to entry but this is a side-effect of the primary purpose of precise technical language: to allow practitioners to communicate accurately and unambiguously.
Interesting example, since doctors notoriously mispronounce stuff all the time. Especially names. BossingAround 10 months ago root parent prev next [—]. Agreed upon by whom? By the in-group? Why does this "agreed-upon pronunciation" take precedence over the "agreed-upon pronunciation" of English? Because what you call "in-group" is just a bunch of professionals that are working hard on making thier lives easier. One of the results of this collective effort is a consensus more or sometimes less established, depending on the term on the pronounciation.
It usually doesn't make sense to disturb this for every single person that has a different "intuition" about how words should be pronounced. Excellent question. I don't know. People just assume that precedence as axiomatic they just agree upon it , because it seems to work More efficient? That's a subject for a study, I guess. Of course by the in-group.
People invent their own languages just to keep other peoples out of their culture or subculture. Since centuries.
Another subject for a study. Knock yourself out, do the research and write a paper. MiguelX 10 months ago root parent prev next [—]. What is or isn't intuitive depends highly on context and background.
Good luck finding something that's intuitive for everyone. People have tried and failed with artificial languages. That's why people try to agree upon terms and their pronunciation first. Most languages are unintuitive and it's worse with tech jargon. So, when you work in tech business, or even in some tech club you cannot just walk in and talk like a child and expect everyone to treat you like an adult.
It's just another thing to learn, and usually something you easily pick up through immersion. Jargon files like The Jargon File [1] are pretty amusing and can help illustrate where some of the quirkier conventions originated, but you can get by without them. Ah, I was thinking about that, thanks for the link!
I was quite inspired by the Jargon File, back 15 years ago. But now it is wildly outdated. Flame wars are now called shitstorms and they are held on Twitter. Hackers are not really outcasts anymore, and there is a general acceptance of "hacker culture". Although hackers are now synonymous with foreign state agents rather than criminals. Because it implies you are invested in the particular technology enough to care about minutiae.
Personally I just like using it as banal objection to win arguments. Most of the pronunciation - and the original meaning behind these non-words - is incredibly opaque and unintuitive.
I still involuntarily vocalize it that way everytime I see it. Never heard fsck spelled out. Indeed - I got lazy with the characters there. I've never heard anyone NOT spell out fsck. I pronounce it "etsy". Also "et cetera" just doesn't make much sense. Not that it really matters, of course. None of the other options sound great either. NFI where I first heard it pronounced like that, though.
Neither had I, until yesterday. Weird timing for this post to pop up. I kinda like it though. CamouflagedKiwi 10 months ago parent prev next [—]. I've heard "f stab" a few times, although it's always been somewhat tongue in cheek. I've not heard it as a genuine misunderstanding of the canonical pronunciation. Fnoord 10 months ago parent prev next [—]. I always thought the correct way was "attic" or "et cetera", but a few years ago I learned it is etsy.
What is wrong with your language? It's an insane amalgamation of other languages with occasional attempts at consistency that actually make it worse. Oh, so it's a bit like R, then?
Well, that's an explanation, but it's not really excuse. Other languages have had reforms and there is no natural language that I know of that doesn't have major influences from at least 3 or 4 different languages. English has had it's share of attempted reforms. This attempt shows examples of perfectly fine reforms when you think about it.
The proposed spelling is most certainly fine once you're used to it or if it's all you've ever known. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. Thread starter Rob Start date May 22, Tags linux pronounce. Rob Administrator Staff member. Joined Oct 27, Messages Reaction score 1, Credits Over the course of the 20 years that I've used Linux, i've said and heard a number of ways that people pronounce things and think I have a pretty good idea of the most accepted ways to pronounce and say things when dealing with Linux systems.
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